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@devnull @colo_lee Great points! I tend to agree.

I’ve only been outdoor climbing once (well, a trip, with a guide).

I would only go where there are bolts. Trad is not for me.

So no more bolts would indeed mean no more outdoor climbing for me.

@colo_lee Great questions all around. To which I have no answers.

Ideally there would be some sort of a governing body deciding anchors on this area are acceptable this other area, they are not.

Or limit the number of anchors in a sepecific location, etc.

But, to your point, funding is necessary for that. And the climbing community isn't exactly the most potent economic force out there.

Parks and forests always lack the attention they deserve, since they don't generate revenue.

@colo_lee I think it's a tough situation, and like anything, there is a happy medium.

By encouraging climbing, safety, etc. you can both bring tourism to parks and forests.

But by bringing too much traffic, you can of course create pollution, etc.

And just who is qualified to put in permanent anchors is a good question. Cleaning routes of loose rocks is important, but how do you ensure people aren't intentionally chipping new holds?

Nuanced questions with next-to-no funding.

@colo_lee Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood. It's just to stop a ban.

I thought it was more about safety maintenance and trail maintenance and such.

My bad!

@colo_lee That's a tough ask unfortunately, especially in the Forest area (Parks are separate), since they aren't currently hiring any seasonal employees soon.

At least not until there is more budget clarity.

Forest Service halts 2025 seasonal hires amid budget crunch

Officials outlined decisions to scale back hiring for temporary and seasonal positions as funding for the next fiscal year is stuck in limbo.

E&E News by POLITICO (www.eenews.net)